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chattels: Start of secret ballot on candidates of the Electoral Commission Release date: 2017/10/23 13:21
chattels: How did KRG’s Barzani get it wrong?Those who know him describe a stubbornness&determination to make history-
https://www.ft.com/content/01e4c572-b5a2-11e7-a398-73d59db9e399 … via @FT
chattels: Kurdish leader’s gamble on independence backfires. The referendum has become another chapter in region’s bleak history. https://www.ft.com/content/01e4c572-b5a2-11e7-a398-73d59db9e399
chattels: The Clash Over Kirkuk – Why the Real Crisis Is in Baghdad—Not Erbil By Ranj Alaaldin https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2017-10-20/clash-over-kirkuk
chattels: How ISIS Is Transforming – Why Predictions of Its Demise Are Premature By Colin P. Clarke
Spectra: Kurdish leader’s gamble on independence backfires
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He was born in a shortlived independent Kurdish state, and he hoped to die in one. But the dream of statehood that has vexed generations of Iraqi Kurdish leaders — and the hubris of believing he could be the one to finally achieve it — led Masoud Barzani to gamble with the most successful period of self-determination his people have enjoyed.
Last month’s independence referendum, rejected by Iraq and the international community, but championed by Mr Barzani, president of the autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG), has become another chapter of a bleak Kurdish history, repeatedly doomed by a mix of misplaced expectations of their allies, as well as greed and betrayal within their own ranks.
Weeks after Kurds joyously took to polling stations, waving their tri-coloured flag and voting overwhelmingly “Yes” to break away from Iraq, they were shocked to see Iraqi forces advance while Kurdish peshmerga forces quickly withdrew from disputed territories, claimed by the KRG and Baghdad.
It began with the Iraqi takeover of the oil-rich Kirkuk, facilitated by a secret deal reached with Baghdad by Mr Barzani’s rivals in the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) party, and partly brokered by Iran.
Within days, Iraqi Kurdish leadership was divided, and most of the territory it has controlled since Isis swept through northern Iraq in 2014 — as well as oilfields that provided half of its revenues — was gone.
chattels: @Spectra Just posted that article all of ten lines ago.
chattels: The end of the secret ballot on the candidates of the Commission and the start of counting and sorting Release date: 2017/10/23 14:17
chattels: [Ayna-Baghdad] Parliamentary sources speculated that the list [B] out of the four lists of candidates for the Independent Electoral Commission for elections .. Follow http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=67423
Spectra: Brendan Perry – The Carnival Is Over (Live on KEXP) https://youtu.be/v1efFElGyOM
Spectra: Dead Can Dance performing “Children Of The Sun” Live at the Village on KCRW https://youtu.be/gw0I12BHZ6I
chattels: Iraq dismisses U.S. call for Iranian-backed militias to ‘go home’ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-tillerson-abadi/iraq-dismisses-u-s-call-for-iranian-backed-militias-to-go-home-idUSKBN1CS0UQ?il=0
chattels: BAGHDAD (Reuters) – The Iraqi government has dismissed a call from U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson for Iranian-backed paramilitary units that helped Baghdad defeat Islamic State to end operations in Iraq.
chattels: Speaking after a meeting on Sunday with Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi and Saudi Arabia’s King Salman, Tillerson said it was time for the Iraqi Popular Mobilisation forces and their Iranian advisers to “go home”.
chattels: But Abadi showed unwillingness to meet Tillerson’s demand. “No party has the right to interfere in Iraqi matters,” the statement from his office read. It did not cite the prime minister himself but a “source” close to him.
chattels: Someday perhaps we will know / learn the Iraqi distinction between helpfulness and interference.
chattels: Most likely it will be revealed as what they say it is and when they say it is or basically, when it suits their purposes.
chattels: Which is alright and to some extent understandable.
chattels: I just hope that we are mature enough to accept it this time and perhaps learn from it.
Spectra: maybe he the rooster can wake them up..
Spectra: all of them…
Spectra: i know i am awake….
chattels: Loyalty is not a word much understood or valued in ” real politik “.
Spectra: @chattels true
Spectra: @chattels Life is one big stage a circus at times..Iraq politics as it is concerned we are only spectaters.
Spectra: @chattels That is how i see the whole thing..
chattels: and ” not our monkey, not our circus ” as some might say.
Spectra: lol…but .. we all bought a ticket too the performence did we not?
Whitelions: The Central Bank of Iraq directs banks to implement the user protection network http://economy-news.net/vrsfls/cntnt/pctr/1058.jpg 4BB The Central Bank of Iraq, on Monday, Iraqi banks need to adopt the standards of the user protection network and approved by the company Swift International before the end of 2017.
“The central bank’s demand came as part of the commitment of the Iraqi banking sector to apply international standards in the field of remittances,” said the director of the information office of the Central Bank of Iraq, Acer Jabbar.
“The sixteen user protection standards can be summed up by the need to restrict access to the Internet, separate sensitive systems from the general IT environment, and reduce cyber attacks and vulnerabilities,” he said.
“Other criteria include security intuition to protect against access to Internet sites, storage, prevention of safe password detection, management of bank identification numbers, separation of privileges, detection of suspicious activities within the system, registration of operations, plans to respond to different situations (errors and incidents) . SOURCE
chattels: @Spectra tickets often times are only good for confetti in the end, eh ?
Spectra: @chattels oh’No —say it isnt true —i wanted to frame mine for pleasant memories
Spectra: @chattels Circus of the Berserk
chattels: Kurdistan Security Council calls on Baghdad to stop ‘military aggression’ and withdraw from all territories Tomorrow’s news – 10/23/2017 3:36:39 PM
chattels: [Ayna-Baghdad] List B won the election commission candidates by secret ballot of the parliament. The names of the candidates included: [Riad Ghazi Fares, Ahmed Rahim Bishara, Nadaa Abdel Mohsin, Rizkar Hama Mohieddin , Ghassan Farhan Hamid, Karim Mahmoud Shabib, Saad Mohammed Amin, Maan Abdul Hantoush, Hazem Al-Ridini]. ”
chattels: Parliamentary committee recommends the referral of 14 deputies to the judiciary to lift their immunity http://www.alliraqnews.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=67426
chattels: [Ayna-Baghdad] recommended the parliamentary committee in charge of follow-up implementation of the decision of the House of Representatives on the deputies participating in the referendum in the Kurdistan region referred to the judiciary to lift immunity and prevent them from practicing their work until the issuance of a court order.
chattels: The list included the names of the deputies , according to a parliamentary source of: Vian Dakhil Salem Juma Khader Arafat Karam Ashwaq Dry Adel Nouri Najiba Najib ares Abdullah Hakhuan Abdullah Sirwan Abdullah Rinas Gano Ardalan Noureddine Mahmoud Muthana Amin capable Abdul Aziz Hassan Sarhan Ahmed.
chattels: One can steal and kill in Iraq and maintain immunity, but vote in a meaningless referendum and ..
chattels: go ahead and take a week off …………………The House of Representatives raises its meeting for the next Monday – Release date: 2017/10/23 14:44
Spectra: not again …?
Duke77: Oh Geesh. Their parliament has to be the most lazy sloths on this planet
Duke77: Just making a quick drive-by and headed out for a while. Hopefully we will see some breaking news out of Iraq today that will directly affect the RV we all want.
larrykn: @Duke77 I don’t know but they might be getting things in order so they can vote on whatever next week
Duke77: @larrykn It appears something is taking place before our eyes with Abadi’s tour and then you have Tillerson making statements that’s putting pressure on Abadi to do this or look like an Iranian puppet.
larrykn: @Duke77 I think we all know that Iran wants Iraq so they can go thru them to get to Syria, we know Iran wants to run the ME, but I think Tillerson an Trump are there to stop that an wants Iraq to stand on their own, yes the pressure is on Adadi now, I pray he makes the right choises
larrykn: @Duke77 I’m still not sure if they will get this done now or the first of the year, time will tell
blackgold: you can blame Iraq for not having the Rv all you want, its not them, its all the world powers like IMF, UN, Fed reserve, and so on
blackgold: but if it makes you feel good ,so be it
Whitelions: The largest US banks .. Praises the performance of Iraqi banks October 23, 2017 At the invitation of the Governor of the Central Bank of Iraq Ali Mohsen Ismail al-Alak of the UN Security Council; to attend a meeting in New York Tuesday, October 17, 2017 with members of the Council in the United Nations building, in a gesture is the first of its kind where the relationship was the first central bank governor in the world attend Such meetings.
The meeting dealt with the management of the Central Bank of Iraq in a studied scientific manner and its experience in combating money laundering, terrorism financing and economic development. Members of the UN Security Council commended the work of the Bank in the difficult circumstances of the country.
The Center for Strategic Studies, the US, that the global media, has played a negative role in the transfer of a clear picture of the Iraqi market during the past years, stressing that there are many positive aspects and opportunities for investors.
The Middle East official in the bank “Citibank”, which is one of the largest banks in the world, the reassurance of US banks to Iraqi banks after the reform steps by the Central Bank of Iraq to combat money laundering and punish offenders and pursue, and support development.
The Association of Iraqi private banks, said that “an Iraqi bank delegation discussed with a number of banks and financial institutions operating in the United States of America opportunities for cooperation between the parties,” indicating that “the delegation included 17 private banks and Rafidain and industrial banks and the Executive Director of the Association of Private Banks Ali Tarek and a number of advisers the Nexus”. FOR THE REST CLICK ON LINK
blackgold: To understand the world powers and how they will be setup you must know the Bible. Revelation and Daniel. Their will be two main powers in the End. The Statue in Daniel shows you. Two legs East and west– one is Rome Italy on seven hills and the other is Istanbul Turkey on seven hills–. The statue reflects History you can check it yourself
blackgold: The the two powers also show up in Revelation, one is Mystery Babylon and one is Babylon the Great. Religous and Commercial
blackgold: Revelation Chapters 17 and 18
blackgold: Thats what you have to deal with to get an RV
blackgold: i can’t see turkey becoming a power unless the Muslims some how Unite
blackgold: but what do i know
LeLe: @blackgold Good morning
blackgold: I can only guess who they might be
LeLe: Good morning room It’s Monday enjoy it you only get one this week
blackgold: Notice one is on seven hills or mountains, and the other is visible from the sea
blackgold: Hi LeLe, peace
Spectra: @LeLe Thank you … same too you…
Tebow: right Turkey is a world power! LOL
blackgold: We can laugh now but you probably forgot they shot down a Russian plan without conseqence ,geee wonder why
blackgold: You probably don’t know that ISIS is funded from the US embassy in Turkey
blackgold: you can never prove it
Tebow: wow they shot down one jet and now they are a world power
blackgold: I said i didn’t understand it
Tebow: now Us is paying ISIS, any proof? Of course not!
?blackgold: You have to understand authourity
Tebow: it’s authority
blackgold: a policeman can’t really stop a car but when he holds his hand up i bet your butt stops
blackgold: somehow turkey can get Authourity, i don’t understand it
Tebow: Authourity? I don’t understand now
blackgold: When and if it happens you will
Tebow: not happening from Turkey but Thanksgiving is coming. Is that what your talking about?
blackgold: West Point never talks about the jewish wars that were won, because they can’t understand it
Tebow: West Point jewish wars understand it?
blackgold: Remember the Six day war
blackgold: go read up
blackgold: then talk to me
Tebow: How many years ago? Someone forgot to take his meds this morning!
blackgold: We shall see
Tebow: not to worry your caretakers will be arounds soon
Tebow: wonder if the forgot to lock up the day room computers
Spectra: Launch of an advance of 3 million dinars for retirees 10/23/2017 0 Comments Picture Rafidain Bank announced on Monday the launch of the predecessor of retirees, amounting to three million dinars through branches in Baghdad and the provinces.
“It was decided to grant retirees and holders of electronic payment tools (smart card) operating exclusively an advance of three million dinars, according to the terms and conditions, including the provision of guarantor guarantor civil servant of the civil service officials not His service is less than that of the Sunnis and the corresponding guarantees are not accepted.
” The statement said that “the amount of the monthly installment of the payment of 92 thousand dinars and interest at 7 percent annually is calculated on the basis of the installment is reduced and paid in installments with fixed installments of the advance.”
Spectra: Better than what many Americans see for their retirement >>>>
Spectra: 3 million iraq dinars ???? who can say they get that kinda equivalent here in America?????
Spectra: not too many..
Tebow: roughly $2529.
Spectra: SS max out at 1750 right
Spectra: around that
AriA: only 1750??? Cheesy ***
Tebow: I get way more. You must remember this is Iraq
Tebow: S S wasn’t meant to be a retirement pension
Spectra: The maximum monthly Social Security benefit payment for a person retiring in 2016 at full retirement age is $2,639. Read more: What is the maximum I can receive from my Social Security retirement benefit? | Investopedia
Spectra: thats what i found
Tebow: never paid into S S than the God
AriA: May I have my $2,639.00 now, please???
Spectra: you have earn alot to get that number…
Tebow: it’s going broke
AriA: $100k+ over many years
AriA: I’m there… just too young.. prolly be gone when I am able to retire..
Tebow: socialist pension plan
AriA: I concur… but jail sux, from what I hear.. LOL
Spectra: you call it socialist alot elderly couldnt survive without it —TEBOW…
Spectra: THEY PAY FOR IT ON EVERY PAYCHECK ITS NOT GIVEN TO THEM???
Spectra: ITS not handout???
Spectra: its more like a invstment plan..
AriA: Yes… and I have paid for Medicare Part A many times over… glad I could contribute to the ppl who are using my $$$$..
Tebow: that’s what it was meant for, so people wouldn’t be destitute
Tebow: not a retirement plan
Spectra: put more in something different to supplement it ..?? Common sense..
Tebow: like ACA
Spectra: whatever you decide
Tebow: like I said lucky not to be under the program
AriA: Yeah.. I heard currency trading is super lucrative!
chattels: DOHA, Qatar – US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says that the recent movement of Iraqi forces into areas in northern Iraq was aimed at bringing Iraqi control to areas it held before the ISIS war and that Washington has urged the Iraqis and Peshmerga to avoid confrontation, adding that many Kurdish rights and expectations have not been met by Baghdad and that Prime Minister Abadi has promised to commit to the constitution.
chattels: ” ……….. Prime Minister Abadi has promised to commit to the constitution.”
chattels: He can promise all he wants, but he cannot / will not deliver according to the Kurdish interpretation of the Constitution.
Doug_W: talk is CHEAP
AriA: ^^^^ Yup…
chattels: This bit is worth keeping an eye on, Khurmala is an especially important component of even a Kirkuk-less KRG economy
blackgold: Oh one more thing to look out for,the WCC (World Council of Churches ) I have no Idea what part they will play in all this mess but keep and eye on them– also known as Federation of churches
blackgold: Catholic church is not a part but send members anyway
chattels: @blackgold gy? @IraqEnergy Oct 16 The total #oil production from #Iraq-northern-fields is estimated @ 790Kb/day in Sep 2017, including 550Kb/d produced from #Kirkuk stru
blackgold: @chattels thank you for that info can you translate into Barrels
Spectra: Ktfa-post—Allawi: Iraq is heading for stability and take effective economic in the region role Allawi: Iraq is moving towards stability and taking its active economic role in the region 22nd October, 2017 Deputy President Iyad Allawi, today, that Iraq is ready to achieve a qualitative leap in the economic sphere will make it one of the leading and influential in the world economy in the event of states Provide appropriate conditions.
In a speech during the opening of the Japanese pavilion at the Baghdad International Fair, Allawi stressed the need for the House of Representatives and the Council of Ministers to enact laws that support the private sector and encourages investment without any obstacles or delay. He pointed out that “today is moving towards stability and taking its active role and influential in the region, indicating the importance of economic measures that will support and develop the Iraqi economy, which should be paid attention to.”
Spectra: the Iraqi economy, which should be paid attention to.” :yes:
Spectra: To just reiterate this fine article….
blackgold: @Spectra sounds good to me
Spectra: Deputy President Iyad Allawi, today, that Iraq is ready to achieve a qualitative leap in the economic sphere will make it one of the leading and influential in the world economy in the event of states Provide appropriate conditions.
chattels: @blackgold It is aleady stated in barrels per day
blackgold: @Spectra oh ok, I’m not that smart
chattels: @blackgold I am aware of your limitations. How can I be of further help ?
blackgold: lol thanks for the vote of confedence
chattels: How the Kurdish independence referendum backfired spectacularly
chattels: Baghdad originally said it wanted to return to its 2014 positions, when Kurdistan began using the fight against the Islamic State to expand its borders. Iraqi militia leaders have expressed a desire to push farther, returning Kurdish forces to where they were in 2003.
chattels: Iraqi and Kurdish forces clashed on the Kirkuk road Friday, as federal troops tried to extend their line. “It’s imperative that Baghdad will not overreach,” said Barham Salih, a Kurdish politician who recently left the PUK. “If they push too far, this could lead to a protracted conflict.”
chattels: The central bank directs banks to implement the user protection network : Release Date: 2017/10/23 18:13
chattels: [Iraq – Iraq] The Central Bank of Iraq directed all Iraqi banks to adopt the standards of the user protection network and approved by the company Swift International before the end of 2017.
“This central bank’s demand came as part of the commitment of the Iraqi banking sector to apply international standards in the field of remittances,” said the director of the Central Bank of Iraq Information Office, Acer Jabbar, in a statement. “The sixteen user protection standards can be summed up by the need to restrict access to the Internet, separate sensitive systems from the general IT environment, and reduce cyber attacks and vulnerabilities,” he said.
“Other criteria include security intuition to protect against access to Internet sites, storage, prevention of safe password detection, management of bank identification numbers, separation of privileges, disclosure of suspicious activities within the system, registration of operations and plans to respond to different situations [errors and incidents] and participation. the information”.
chattels: ” …………. before the end of 2017. ”
chattels: @Doug_W I thought SWIFT compliance was one of those things accomplished long ago according to the gurus.
BobS: HEWLÊR-Erbil, Iraq’s Kurdistan region,— Elections for Iraq’s Kurdistan region’s presidency and parliament set for Nov. 1 will be delayed because political parties failed to present candidates, the head of the electoral commission Hendrean Mohammed told Reuters on Monday. Parties have been unable to focus on the elections because of turmoil that followed a referendum on Sept. 25 on Kurdish independence, a Kurdish MP said on condition of anonymity.
Authorities in Baghdad as well as neighbors Iran and Turkey opposed the referendum that saw a clear independence majority. Last week, Iraqi forces captured the oil city of Kirkuk and other territory claimed by the Kurds in retaliation for the referendum, dealing a severe blow to Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Masoud Barzani.
BobS: The Kurdish electoral commission’s Mohammed, speaking by phone from the KRG capital Erbil, in northern Iraq, said it is up to the Kurdistan region’s parliament to fix a new date for the elections. The deadline to present candidates expired last week and was extended until Monday.
Massoud Barzani has led Kurdistan region as president from 2005 for two executive terms and his last term was extended in 2013 by ruling Kurdistan Democratic Party KDP and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) for two more years on the condition that he can no longer run as president. Barzani’s term as president of Kurdistan expired on August 20, 2015 but refused to step down and remains unofficially in office.
According to the law, Barzani cannot run for presidency anymore and his term cannot be extended. But the KDP insists that Massoud Barzani should remain president of the region. Political risk analyst Kirk Sowell told Reuters on August 4, 2015 “If it were a stable democratic system, they would just vote him out of office. But it’s not,”
BobS: Barzani has closed the Kurdish parliament in October 2015 after his term expired and his KDP prevented Kurdistan parliament speaker, Yusuf Mohammed Sadiq, from Gorran Movement, from entering Erbil and Kurdistan PM Nechirvan Barzani has removed four members of his cabinet from the Change Movement and replaced them with KDP politicians. Barzani said in March 2016 I will not leave power until Kurdistan get statehood.
“The day we have an independent Kurdistan, I will cease to be the president of that Kurdistan” The loss of Kirkuk prompted calls from Gorran, the main opposition party to Barzani, for his resignation. Gorran, or the Change Movement, supports the right of Iraq’s Kurds for self-determination but it opposed holding the referendum on Sept. 25, saying the timing was ill-chosen. Kurdistan considered as the most corrupted part of Iraq.
According to Kurdish lawmakers billions of dollars are missing from Iraqi Kurdistan’s oil revenues. Barzani has been accused by critics of amassing huge wealth for his family instead of serving the population. Barzani’s son is the Kurdistan region’s intelligence chief and his nephew Nechirvan Barzani is the prime minister. A Kurdish lawmaker said in March 2017 the amount of $1.266 billion from oil exports and Iraqi Kurdistan’s revenue has gone missing over the last three months.
BobS: October 23, 2017 SULAIMANI, Iraq’s Kurdistan region,— Iraqi Kurdistan’s main opposition party called Sunday for the autonomous region’s illegitimate president to resign after Baghdad seized swathes of disputed territory from Kurdish forces in response to an independence vote.
Shoresh Haji of the Gorran movement, which holds 24 out of 111 seats in the Iraqi Kurdistan parliament, said Massoud Barzani and his deputy Kosrat Rasul should step down. “The Kurdistan region’s president and his deputy no longer have any legitimacy and should resign,” he said.
He called for the creation of a “national salvation government” to prepare for dialogue with Baghdad and organise new elections. Iraqi Kurds on September 25 voted overwhelmingly for independence in a poll set in motion by longtime regional leader Barzani and strongly opposed by Baghdad.
Central government forces last week swept into the oil-rich Kirkuk province, restoring it and Kurdish-held parts of Nineveh and Diyala provinces to Baghdad’s control. The rapid Kurdish retreat triggered recriminations among Kurdish politicians and prompted the regional parliament to postpone presidential and legislative polls set for November 1.
BobS: Gorran on Sunday demanded the dissolution of a body set up after the referendum to “manage the consequences of the ballot”. Critics fear that Barzani, who chairs the body, could use it to retain power even after he leaves his post.
Massoud Barzani has led Kurdistan region as president from 2005 for two executive terms and his last term was extended in 2013 by ruling KDP and Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) for two more years on the condition that he can no longer run as president. Barzani’s term as president of Kurdistan expired on August 20, 2015 but refused to step down and remains unofficially in office.
?According to the law, Barzani cannot run for presidency anymore and his term cannot be extended. Barzani has closed the Kurdish parliament in October 2015 after his term expired and his KDP forces prevented Kurdistan parliament speaker, Yusuf Mohammed Sadiq, from Gorran Movement, from entering Erbil and Kurdistan. Barzani said in March 2016 I will not leave power until Kurdistan get statehood.
?“The day we have an independent Kurdistan, I will cease to be the president of that Kurdistan”.
chattels: ERBIL, Kurdistan Region – The mainly Shiite Hashd al-Shaabi has condemned remarks from the US Secretary of State telling Iranian elements of the paramilitary force to “go home.” The spokesperson of the Hashd a-Shaabi called the American’s statement baseless and stressed that there are no foreign fighters among their ranks.
“The remarks made by the US Secretary of State about the presence of Iranian militia is unacceptable, rejected, and a baseless accusation,” Ahmad al-Asadi told reporters in Baghdad, according to the Hashd media office. He said that Secretary Rex Tillerson owes the Iranian-backed Hashd an apology.
chattels: Something is owed, but an apology from us seems unlikely.
moutainwest74: I figure the Kirkuk Province population now holds the same feelings for Abadi as his predecessor.